Giles Gray

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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Vidqun-"If it is a simulation, would you not need a creator to create the simulation (as in the Matrix Trilogy)?"

  Not necessarily no. That's limiting outside the simulation to what the simulation is inside.

  If outside the simulation is so vastly different to what we experience in the simulation then maybe there is no beginning and no end, no up and no down, in fact it could be void of dimension.

  Wild speculation obviously but equally as valid as any theistic hypothesis when it comes to assuming an alternative. The only advantage with simulationism is that it can answer every question thrown at it.
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Vidqun-" I stress the point, an information system cannot develop by itself or be derived from non-living matter."

  But doesn't this point also work against theists inasmuch as the vastness of information required to create the Creator goes off the scale.

  An old argument I know but what it does do is to highlight the folly of the assumption that there is a 'creator' (as in god of the bible) based on the above argument.

  Vidqun-"So, what are the alternatives? You be the judge…."

  There are alternatives that don't include a creator, like simulationism. If the information programmed in matter is created externally then an alternative explanation could be that we live in a simulation.

  Therefore it is an assumption to believe in a creator when a simulation is an equally plausible explanation.
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  Why A Divine Being is Possible

  by looter in

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  now we all have heard how the universe is composed of matter and space.

  and we always here of how it had a beginning.

  but really what could have begun it?

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  Giles Gray

  "Why a Divine Being is Possible"

  Couldn't it also be possible that life is a simulation, which would negate the need of your god hypothesis to create this 'reality'?

  If everything is a hoax then nobody stands a chance of attaining truth.
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  Recording of doorstop meeting with JWs

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was alerted to the presence of jws in my street, so i grabbed my voice recorder and placed it by the front door.

  several minutes later there was a knock, i pressed "record" and opened the door to two jw women.

  the recording below runs for 25 minutes.

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  Giles Gray

  The recording came out fine.

  Very interesting. It's amazing to the degree of dishonesty that they actually went to on very basic questions.

  What is interesting is that when you forced out of them the correct answers they took that as you being argumentative and then left on that basis.

  It's a shame you got distracted on the blood topic because what you had originally setup was a very good strategy. Your question to them was what would they do if they disagreed with the blood doctrine. In true JW style they avoided the question.
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  Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

  that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

  but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

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  prologos-" extreme celibacy? he would have greatly benefited from a better half."

  LOL...Too true, although it reminds me of a line in a film called 'The Family Way' where a newlywed says to his father that he didn't know he could have so much fun without laughing...
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  Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

  that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

  but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

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  prologos-"thumbs up, that was a sharp retort.!!"

  Why thank you...

  prologos-" he was a believer, by the way, proving that you do not have to be an atheist to do seminal Sun.Moon,Earth science.,"

  Indeed he was... an avid believer. He was also bonkers.

  Interesting fact about him was that he only ever laughed once in his life. I forget what the condition is called where people don't have the ability to laugh. Joseph Stalin is another one.
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  Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

  that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

  but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

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  prologos-"how can we justify the mention of fruit in a math/astronomy thread, linked to the uniqueness of our place in spacetime?"

  It worked for Issac Newton... allegedly
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  Why are the atheists on this site so hateful?

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  all us creationists try to do is offer true evidence that the one and only god is out there watching and looking down on us.

  we present that certain scientists know the truth about god and that he is everything that we see from trees, life, weather, the air we breath, and even the most simple molecules.

  but of course you atheists reject it because it is your nature to not be humble and see god because you want to rule your own life.

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  you earned the "fuck off".

  How much is a 'fuck off' worth these days...???
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  Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

  that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

  but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

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  Giles Gray

  Slidin Fast-" Or... maybe I should go shopping more often"

  Commando?
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  Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

  that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

  but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

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  Giles Gray

  never a jw-"I see you are attempting to undermine my faith. Go TWO hell. I am not listening."

  The trouble with you Two-ists is that you wouldn't know the Two-th if it came up and bit you... twice... on both cheeks.